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Identify
5 ^: N+ {) J7 E; u7 b! I柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
4 U0 E$ z( I1 `) U5 _$ J& C) S) z ♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
9 j0 s, Y* L: {& O, W* V1 [VERB] V n
2 w' m7 M$ e9 a5 l( dIf you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.3 D- |/ t; f: x# f8 ]( Q- F3 H
There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
' G+ ~8 w% [7 q9 q! V( k2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing  j% f6 }0 Q; }4 Z% d: E9 f* F
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
0 x' l2 N+ u$ j0 m# \: t: LPolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects...% W# j$ o! [) H4 r) R
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist.... q# i4 l1 `3 U/ |1 D9 V
= name
2 }3 }& G  A0 g, M8 r. V3 [VERB] V n& n1 I/ d0 {+ z0 u8 R: `
If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.4 z$ m6 r6 [( S& m9 F
Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
& d7 r" g7 K& u6 ~= discover
% \; \1 k$ ~- |4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
" I( I8 Z: c) D$ d6 D! O) C3 ~If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
) R; \" Y0 l" ^# z, o- S. E5 J" HShe wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
, m) y2 ~$ w$ f6 @4 t  jHis boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.4 C+ \9 l, c2 A1 l8 z6 A! n
= distinguish
7 ]( W. \6 \) Q8 |4 z/ H5 [VERB] V with n! G$ P" S4 W9 F
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.
* W$ |6 |# X' Y* V+ Y+ o. fShe would only play a role if she could identify with the character...9 I' E4 d- C% Y8 F, |3 P7 r
6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
7 o2 Y) Y% h" Y6 q2 }% CIf you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way." ~! q+ _7 u/ [' N# r. l# ^) B9 s
She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with.... V/ ?1 u& b6 ~' O/ f5 J
The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.4 B1 K) z( }4 y1 ]
= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站   _$ ?: k2 u7 q  l' u

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, ]5 {- O. Q! k( |$ p, zidentify  
( l: {2 G' O& h8 X: n( ti·den·ti·fy
+ `6 j  i' b& w" ~) p. p% q% FW1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]  Z! B- v; Z1 L. J' N6 E

/ X, ?4 w+ a4 c[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY], |) l6 |( ~* D% r  F6 a; K6 O: _
to recognize and correctly name someone or something; b8 k( g/ f9 ?5 J, l5 j* ?
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces.
0 k+ U% f, f+ i0 E) m9 e$ B The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
4 g: j9 O" c7 f* M! e$ s! n3 yidentify sb/sth as sb/sth  o; d/ W' ?# z; C
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.0 ?3 v& X% t4 w
 The aircraft were identified as American.
, R* d  b  D; [' R/ R( ]* A( s+ Yto recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc# X6 n8 D7 T( o# O
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.' z& J. i3 y, H* B
 They identified a number of problem areas.
' g! J9 C7 U- {% ?- aif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
* b, r  u7 m$ s4 J6 Aidentify sb as sb
! b; c6 W8 J, b5 S His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
3 V1 H4 z! B$ q4 eidentify with phr v, `+ S# R* u$ K) g, H) [+ @
identify with sb/sth
% n3 u, ?' h( }to feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
3 ?* x9 A' f/ q) \/ o' B Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.1 W6 U9 t% T- O& [3 u4 Q
 He identified with our distress and despair.
5 U( j/ ~/ V, s5 [# x& p' k# q identify sb with sth
( p& X2 W1 t( [8 U3 [to think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
3 i6 {, ]4 b/ b9 A* Q She has always been identified with the radical left.
( A% R; a4 z+ Q identify sth with sb/sth: z! Q/ A6 H1 a9 ?, C
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else0 |, O4 w4 ~5 w. D3 p  I! K$ s
 the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems
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identify  , N- U3 j1 j  D! W" n: m
verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)& e  N3 I7 c5 v5 ~" s8 w
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.( E4 ]) p$ S. H
to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.
* Z4 d+ ^' h* L9 L [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.! g" Y/ C; W1 U2 c
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
# R2 @1 H" m$ yidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.( c1 C! [, M3 M, W% n. ^$ W" {
identify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else; L2 d; k# J' _3 r8 P
Synonym: EQUATE
2 m. A! {) q2 `1 m3 ^  }0 CYou should not identify wealth with happiness.
: F2 S6 i0 q; K! Fbe identified with sb/sth
% T7 O3 _7 \# K* F/ b- G, ~- Bidentify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.) _! Z: w+ G1 J& f) `. [# q  {  `6 ]
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# \5 {5 G# D: S" _ identify  
. M# H' \4 }: E5 M& S( `/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
8 C# e+ r; r$ o3 P/ ` [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. 5 b5 r) P0 w# O
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈.
+ Z* C! B' ~( ?, J8 g; f" C. l (phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.
, b  M5 K5 z3 J& X4 h> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] + K$ T9 [: \0 b4 i+ W
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
# a1 @& P9 t* \- t2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认)./ |/ F1 [! w# u7 z. I0 C
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7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;) \3 A* R- }: e4 j6 c7 w# x4 g
这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文
: J# N4 Z& k& C# _$ R' t只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。4 o. c8 s9 z/ s" b9 N, h
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变% q. q" m' E$ Q  c7 ]
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25" G: r! c6 g- P
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...

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如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):" Q& L$ L3 e2 q
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57# s3 d% A+ A* T9 o# Q* d
其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
$ R+ I! r9 J% F7 ~" w+ N就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...
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曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
; @' R( y$ r9 N4 ?5 ^和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。7 K) d! x' k. F: c9 f' _; H3 f
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。) P) ?) M% C& _) P) z3 l( O
一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml+ d4 _7 z) B9 q1 K7 @8 N% f; T* f
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:582 A5 o: h7 W( {& \" Y' K
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”8 c  a7 d6 r9 G3 M0 t: C
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”5 q9 z( B2 R% J" }
女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。& {$ E) N) v  f  S5 h) W: ^* @
婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。' y7 ]* T. a. ?- p% K, d4 p6 K
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”
" ^8 `) i- R3 P& o' q% x+ j6 H5 L7 `男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
; c/ g; L" g6 a% D' C在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

. I8 o' }+ _4 G在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:075 R  E* A+ X" y& c$ Q
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
9 x8 n2 A. m9 J8 [* h( j台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。
$ Q4 w8 l' U. Y2 O0 E  E% v  G' b相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。
$ p5 S1 R7 p" r' R仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
" }" X& h) A( `0 s台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
  x- G% w. @1 t1 g; V& m; G昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
- X, y" w7 c( F7 c8 k; h“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
! }! X3 C& C: u: ~0 Y大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

! V5 M$ S1 l6 Q同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
$ a6 d& F  r8 g, X' s但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:
) f# \: g( E! f1 |# v1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
; I$ h+ J+ \. e2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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