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Identify! Q5 Q8 I/ D- ~, I2 W  S1 E
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
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3 _- z+ d% |: h0 O- a' wIf you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.  O- r6 d+ p. I/ g8 i
There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
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If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.0 V/ z7 U* p2 g( A9 V
Police have already identified around 10 murder suspects...
8 Y$ V' R5 B7 y: E* A) H" b8 A6 tThe reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...8 j- U4 g# M% L  f; y5 I" l
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If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
' P: J# O# \4 S  n/ t1 MScientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
. P! I6 I: C2 J; T= discover
( Q6 y3 ~0 u* Z3 Z# l4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
% G) K: i8 k7 c. HIf a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
: U0 u3 T( d+ \3 n" l6 P+ M) G" IShe wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
9 v3 C7 k/ @2 F$ q6 \$ T7 v& BHis boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.
, w7 J1 \% L  J- ^; y= distinguish
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" x* _' c7 D7 s: B; HIf you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.6 N  `( _0 J/ N$ N7 J
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...
0 w6 q# R  A" p" L* A7 y9 E' g. l6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
' U4 [, N! a; X( v' V+ iIf you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.4 x- @8 n* Y0 ]
She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
4 F6 z0 p0 f% V: L/ fThe candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.
: l$ B% E% l& p= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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朗文当代英语词典
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i·den·ti·fy9 S7 T( c9 Q6 A: C7 ]
W1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]1 T. V. g3 _9 V  v1 e( `) z
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]8 p) K5 U: n2 k" {
to recognize and correctly name someone or something
& v+ j# w. C  f8 F' V He was too far away to be able to identify faces.9 I0 c1 G, b" G" s5 e  O
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
" ]- w8 o- C( Q0 I/ O& v; |identify sb/sth as sb/sth% \5 U) L: ^' t* _- T9 g, p' O
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.
. N# @8 y1 E, x: _' v" J# A  T The aircraft were identified as American.
! ~$ R4 {: E" r3 {: h6 {to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc7 e! Y* K: ?5 L6 D7 A0 s
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.# h# F, P7 F' [- j  v
 They identified a number of problem areas.
* y) I& Q4 t8 ~0 d6 ?2 Aif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
' B, g5 D6 q2 m% ~4 V' o  V! W! ?identify sb as sb
6 u. U7 |1 p/ z+ D- l/ D, K6 ?: M* K8 P His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
( ]4 W+ N0 }' b4 z  lidentify with phr v
/ r1 O' f3 Q4 o( H( e: m identify with sb/sth
1 N. _6 h. ?9 V" R( H% R! H& Ato feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
) u8 B2 L9 b0 N9 e* R6 A1 l' | Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
" [" _1 M& W$ E1 y5 @7 p He identified with our distress and despair.
* C9 q2 A6 V. U" L+ l& F identify sb with sth
: a6 K- T" K* H9 }$ W. bto think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
9 A! T( i' `0 p; [0 \4 ~1 N She has always been identified with the radical left.$ V# Q6 f' X4 u$ Z
identify sth with sb/sth
# T1 J+ |# `- h7 M3 ?7 G% v2 q+ U! tto think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else
1 S3 @) e% K% ?+ P0 d the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems+ x! \; ?; y0 O. Y2 s7 _
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verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)
( ^8 m2 ~/ H! {4 E  ~+ l6 d$ i (also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
6 }0 j! b7 l: u5 N to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.  Q, r. ~1 b& Z2 t0 _, ?
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.1 C9 ?2 f& E/ C0 @3 x/ N/ c! ~
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.+ s5 k# \+ j& ?/ X
identify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.! c8 U( @/ G& @: H2 s) t: y3 n  K8 s
identify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else. Y- M4 x8 J- F5 L4 A$ O
Synonym: EQUATE
2 ~0 y. O* s5 k" l* t, F7 mYou should not identify wealth with happiness.
$ g' T" Z8 u- {$ c6 k4 a  sbe identified with sb/sth7 Y0 X6 q8 e& J; S/ W! W% I* l5 r
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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$ j- r: d1 J, W/ U/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
1 N3 D3 W2 A6 u4 j# }2 Y [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人. + N$ W  A8 ?% e
[Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈. " H4 X# V/ F8 Z* [+ k  B
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.4 R1 [0 @1 K* H$ ^% W$ m8 {
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] & V/ H1 h7 W7 k( C$ s- S
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
5 ^4 j* P# q2 D0 V2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).
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发表于 2013-7-19 23:25:22 | 显示全部楼层
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
( e/ Z! `3 t; ]" B& i7 H2 d这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文4 ^- D' w  Q9 }" Z7 d! v9 D. O
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。" a7 B( y' y+ n
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变% y# e4 r! C/ j: ?' f! o
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-19 23:58:43 | 显示全部楼层
emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25
6 S  [9 c+ g  C4 U6 a5 R" |9 u7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法
! H9 [3 S8 ~0 V& @8 y如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
. A2 z( k1 ?1 Z3 N; b; Q其实,台版没大陆版严谨。( V: _7 L# K4 o
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

- ?2 _7 O7 v( j: W; \! V5 `4 G曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
3 ?3 }3 @6 `9 c" a% \和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。7 q  a. Q, G& X# o
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
$ y/ |2 f3 T1 _, o$ U+ O8 Q一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-21 18:34:15 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58$ T' j2 K8 k& u! t$ G7 W
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”2 h" O, z3 Z. G. V
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”
8 M0 k% @4 b; x: s女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。' H6 ?6 F% j& n
婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。" R3 V1 ^1 r( q  @: F  ^4 H
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”$ i( q" G/ J7 D1 A* {
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
3 }! y% n' {3 Z在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……$ f& |$ Q* k; H% }

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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07+ t( \1 Y+ p9 `) h' [& {! Q' t
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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4 S# X2 B% ~* q3 S, S% z; q# o大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。) p$ ~/ ^; F, F) }6 j( q- x) ]! f
台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。4 w, l2 l1 Z$ |. T/ g* t  n
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。
/ f. R" R! l4 s6 t; j仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:014 A8 I+ h2 I) `' V
台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。
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台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
9 n+ W9 S5 C6 W' _  F, m$ y3 O% ~# `$ W昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
% U+ U! i( ?1 C“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
1 _, j. Y$ @! ~9 v& e大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

+ J7 }6 N  ~% k: d. q+ x同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
: S) E: K0 L$ d* ?5 A但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:/ H, {; l) N, C4 |
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
" f6 S8 p! `& h' k' ^5 X2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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