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Identify1 A, w$ U& J* i: V* K4 F) G& q0 g
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      * k) K1 W; G: `# ^
♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
4 b' y3 D" u) U* y% q1 [VERB] V n! q+ _4 y" u8 W) I$ Y4 V0 N2 c
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.4 H9 x2 t7 y( l9 c1 w
There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
4 m4 Q) n8 Y% ]( v& B2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing' z: g; @5 Q  t% P1 l
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
0 n, q' q. A: j) M& PPolice have already identified around 10 murder suspects...
% b6 @* M5 X* C0 b  B+ g2 k& IThe reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...0 |5 |+ H- A5 |6 v1 g
= name
* U* R' o! U1 u' T; [& J$ M( S/ K3 [VERB] V n  R" B, R$ C# S  y& x
If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.5 N, E2 g3 X4 z, Z8 @! T( ]- H
Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
1 @  g, [: D2 [$ \5 t7 W6 I= discover
4 z' Z$ C  }7 \4 Q8 o) W: @  q4 [VERB] V n, V n as -ing/n
+ R& o) X7 `3 ?2 tIf a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way., N  V' E& D, z
She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...% G8 W4 J. z* m- n, E
His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.
- e& P& Z# s" j8 X= distinguish
0 W9 O& Y2 B+ k1 N5 [VERB] V with n' G1 h6 i5 n9 g* ?' W( r
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.
' _# c' A1 ~8 k/ ]She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...
% g% V% j  L! {; e6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n
7 S8 e% o$ e# E2 c! C2 {If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
+ p/ e5 V4 R$ c7 UShe hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
1 y1 E/ B; S2 Q% ^5 U! {The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.- w" I8 [6 `- D! a  d
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" _( C- I' i$ v朗文当代英语词典
3 G  v; l" O4 F9 C" O' z1 q& }1 fidentify  
$ ?# {' @$ U! ]i·den·ti·fy- M. `. n4 V6 G& j5 J  ^
W1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]  D- E1 G" a( i; D
to recognize and correctly name someone or something! k! Y& A4 S: i/ c8 C
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces.
" M# ?6 u. s; _7 C The police took fingerprints and identified the body .3 x: H) ]2 O" S/ L$ J
identify sb/sth as sb/sth, F3 n7 U9 c' ]' A3 `9 k) M
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.
0 `  c3 c2 J0 d1 i) h3 j5 N) T6 R The aircraft were identified as American.6 }" @8 D4 {; [; _% R! [. H- U
to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc
* ~0 t0 @2 J  Z Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.
& `! D# e7 `: f9 ~. g* M) q They identified a number of problem areas.
. m5 }6 Y4 F% h$ `% `if a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
4 |* m; U' S% N) [: Midentify sb as sb
" k/ H& V( J# o( M3 w His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
% q6 ^! f9 ~) l: ]identify with phr v
2 f) j# ~7 ~  [* Y4 K identify with sb/sth
, g3 E2 E" a% T: Kto feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
% ]1 f$ @8 T4 E1 |5 ` Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
* Y' `4 t* i  J) l0 Z He identified with our distress and despair.- K4 ]7 c  q( R8 |8 D
identify sb with sth
5 V* F2 u; F, p: [; Qto think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group5 S2 R" l$ e4 Q7 i9 h5 j7 L
 She has always been identified with the radical left.$ X: X, A  b7 E7 x$ D! `2 {: q: l
identify sth with sb/sth* h! q# _' b. g; I% A  A5 D  o, U
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else; C  n% ^5 ?/ g  t& r1 _- c
 the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems1 F  Z9 V, _- `2 a; z* v# N
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7 R- Z+ `2 L% }% ?& u牛津高阶英语词典" y5 v7 s- y( F: p3 u
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verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)# L6 T1 u2 C; v5 c$ s6 f5 Z. O$ p6 G
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.  }6 f) U. O! G3 Z% I8 C' r7 Q
to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.  \# v4 G, |; s  J( O7 a
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.# J4 c, W: S, ?+ b3 L0 u( P2 k
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
( g0 Y9 P, ?- ~& w, V, widentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.8 D: l; f0 H; y. l
identify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else
- z- @% {, P9 o7 @Synonym: EQUATE
$ O, e+ l" F: [7 o& }& j- YYou should not identify wealth with happiness.$ `% y6 ?/ M- j; m0 l) T
be identified with sb/sth) K0 q9 r3 h2 a
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.8 C* h+ n% [7 n1 W2 b0 y

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/ O- v, H* u; v$ O牛津高阶英汉双解词典
5 G8 U" A$ u# t# |9 e identify  
: Z% z0 \4 d* w" v8 O) r5 t  X/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
0 q% T# K1 Z8 R* `3 V [Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人.
) H5 n: M! A9 Y0 Q [Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈.
* H8 m. m! q# o' B; z (phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.6 k+ a+ Y! R9 I% w$ \2 g! b
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] 9 v# V2 p, o2 V6 b
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
! B8 K5 {* @( B, E2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).
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发表于 2013-7-19 23:25:22 | 显示全部楼层
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;7 ]2 }  [+ r6 w( x  l) t2 [
这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文
3 r9 h6 y, O9 @6 C- R* K" b/ R只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。: B; J  N, s1 s. W
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变
* o9 |- `& R$ W  ^1 s* l% r0 \举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-19 23:58:43 | 显示全部楼层
emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25$ D, v5 g, @) V- l% S( j  i* r& t
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
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有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法+ I, l' `+ R- X- j0 M' F! @) u2 T
如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
$ U1 C+ _- A- Q5 [& Q7 o* y+ e其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
7 \0 H' {5 c8 S1 o) T) x就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...
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曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。0 |) r: E, Y6 D$ T& T3 e$ T! P) e
和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
" v, Y$ L4 Q- o+ f台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。' U7 E/ g6 e( P9 f. P! |+ k/ \
一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
& f! s% x1 S" @在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”& z" s6 G& M6 r" |8 _' @! j1 }8 M# m
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”, E; h" Q) g! {7 Y% f
女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。
9 p% ]$ z+ z1 p. I婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。" @( n4 W" h5 M: O- g
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”- d9 w4 J# X; Y' g
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07:31 | 显示全部楼层
blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
4 d+ S+ W, F! ~1 ~4 K% \  x在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……- k, ]7 Z9 |2 H
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大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。2 ]) h5 F% z) |: [
台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。/ o3 l! z9 y2 ]3 p$ _
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。
( L2 w* A% S2 I6 l' Y仅代表个人意见。: T+ }. ?/ ^1 X7 [) m, v  F
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01! u1 O9 {: B$ c! d! [
台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。

3 i/ u' g: ^  `- H7 G3 \台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。& ~% ^1 L' c& b; w% m9 _
昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25" m3 M# q0 b7 y% p9 Y
“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。& B3 I9 I6 K2 {& i) q, M! X. e) F
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

. Y' {2 B! }6 c, p- }2 ?6 s$ t同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
' g. S, c' K# F5 G" N但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:
- b# i: H. ~0 \; ^1 K1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
+ q6 G$ ?6 ~: d2 w  M  ^2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...+ `+ `1 }" X. r9 y. g
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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