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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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1 q+ \0 z5 O3 W: E  j2 bThe organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that8 V& p" d* }4 F
a) product requirements are defined,! Y5 o; G$ d. y2 b4 e! o
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
& v4 ~0 @. g: D! A9 t! }c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
/ v+ l& L; G: k4 `1 b7 pRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
+ Z  {3 O& V: ]! {: OFailure:  # E+ C1 k% t" Y& X/ q, w% t
Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence:
7 k/ R$ D) A& \For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:% ?. t# y8 W0 |
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.5 [$ n3 O; E7 o6 f# w+ m
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
6 S& M6 s5 [+ r/ wRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.6 p; x7 b9 _1 l
Evidence: $ {7 N6 T/ A0 [; V$ h
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
$ b8 Q4 [$ X8 V( {6 P1 W1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.) |- c) `! L" t' M
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:550 [- V6 l1 ~3 t, b2 \
Requirement: # o& _+ B% r, W. ]$ ~* B
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

/ g) ]9 P+ w, g2 s1 W7 }8 C$ I6 cEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
( o* y$ J/ T; I4 p2 L- I1 e! x5 NIt is right.
7 P; I7 }( x4 q$ s6 f! U6 O( i; PReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42* {" W4 |) A( A0 }6 z' |
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
* T( {9 o  i; FIt is right.
, X: O4 @3 M% F/ B" b4 V5 O- g( ZReferring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。/ |: g  e& R  `/ h, ], [0 z6 W. E5 `
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:: Y* @1 f# G! l- n
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:$ A. M4 T  X  x" h9 J6 s
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.0 f% G8 [( @" Y" J; W, F  X
全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
  c6 \0 ?4 x4 R, P5 {! _4 i) C2 }& `3 I2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
# R# H6 P6 @$ q( t: X* y全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。5 r. \# L! x' X3 S9 t
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所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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