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发表于 2011-4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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Requirement: 5 p* b5 f0 k+ @3 p
The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that- U! o) Q, }' a" `7 r* i
a) product requirements are defined,
* g5 j9 I+ `$ j8 @- S) p$ ?b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
0 A$ v1 \2 a9 d! V: j) m; ]; g2 Rc) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
) ]  M/ a4 ^, j0 n1 L! Y; ?1 URecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).! L6 H" s5 h. K+ F
Failure:  ( M( w; H; p$ m  F, Z6 |* ~
Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: 6 a2 ^6 I0 V5 J$ g  Z% z) v* B
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
8 t6 V. m  R9 e7 a6 j! b1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
; j' y6 `. i  Z2 o- h+ n2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 2011-4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2011-4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 2016-6-11 07:27
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发表于 2016-6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 2016-6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
- q3 U, n  T$ zRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
. Z: Y+ L; y6 q9 t; I* REvidence:
7 H* B6 W4 p2 T" y& g2 A0 `For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
) M' ^1 R; I( K. m; H) o7 k1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.' t& k) N  r/ S' ]
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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" r' x# f8 w; k* BEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 2016-6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55% b! N3 V- {2 y* k- r6 m! T+ F2 C
Requirement:
" |/ k% p5 D* A* I) yRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

2 A- w, }4 [" H' x1 EEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?# `: ~6 w. `1 W& P2 [6 N& {" R
It is right.1 `# i' [# b: _7 o. y
Referring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 2016-6-10 20:47
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发表于 2016-6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42
, G7 t" e$ j6 [, F" {# ?Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
6 r0 L8 t8 s5 l9 L1 c, p! G" _0 @It is right.1 O! t  M- Q; q+ l
Referring to this case, co ...

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发表于 2016-6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 2016-6-11 09:58
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 2016-6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 2017-5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。2 A* e3 F: D, q: z" f9 c8 i
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:: M" m% }- O, m4 d$ n# E: G
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
) ^5 {- E6 [, T! O% X1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.! Z/ ^0 ?2 [+ o& y2 Z
全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。) M/ v( L/ x% Q$ w4 M5 r: T
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
+ K* z, X2 g8 ^- B. w% a全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。
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所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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