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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that9 `) I8 l- [9 n9 n
a) product requirements are defined,* g8 H8 s1 B+ o/ a0 m/ B$ m
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and: M! i) a' P) d' [5 Q4 e1 E4 y
c) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
7 y- ]3 K. S, h6 W/ ]" }* aRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
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  |; T" x9 \: f. P; ~+ p) GContract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: % ?& P9 t  G  k; W% L
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
" ?1 t. M& z3 S1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.4 @. M) w& t) Y1 E( [. c4 I5 h& F/ d
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.) @5 P0 r3 N+ }! q
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
, A  T( m. T$ M8 L- @Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.' L1 `1 y" @( F0 ]/ C( s
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For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:  H: F% j0 s  j( c+ d9 D
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
% m; T2 _5 o( h5 [9 ~4 F0 H2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.. ~7 a2 @3 x7 \' I
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:550 `) j2 C' j8 @5 I# H& S- l7 ^: s
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Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

5 ?: u7 L. l0 zEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?% _" q7 E$ x; X2 N
It is right." g* V5 d3 i: p7 W1 c& C
Referring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:427 m0 T: `1 |& H7 E
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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Referring to this case, co ...

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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。
/ k4 w4 @+ v2 w+ |% wFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
1 f6 s$ p5 j9 s! _全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
! J9 w' H' W8 |6 G1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.2 d, D/ h9 q0 u% Z; j7 Z, v
全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。
: `* u6 e) A7 P8 \2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.- e7 O/ a0 W0 A+ U) \) W/ S" y7 ?
全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。
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7 Y( i; {' w( v9 D  f7 f/ m所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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