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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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Requirement: 2 L1 h" ?' q6 x; `
The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that
: A( Q8 u3 j. X( r  I- B0 Z1 @' x0 ea) product requirements are defined,: z$ r, r1 a- o9 ~8 h
b) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
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Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
1 p! o; D0 ]8 f  D: _Failure:  5 N& ]: ~9 z7 W( l/ j. u4 P9 S
Contract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: " K. [* f+ v- K, [2 l- j& }
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:" E8 v+ i1 L  B3 b: \. ]* L! S
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
; W. D* W: I" k7 t) f! O2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement:
% z( p9 _* g+ g& v* x  tRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.: o5 D6 S: |) {# O% V6 R
Evidence: * I& b5 w$ p" v# v2 s
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:0 y" E5 w3 c. J7 x
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.2 ]) ]! l. d2 f' B) \7 c9 q
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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" T/ s; b9 A- g6 Y6 @Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55
5 L4 u6 r) i4 S- URequirement: ( D$ K* z4 b# R6 ^/ [, n
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

7 B) u3 a" a2 a9 qEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
7 O- l) ^( O* K6 V) ^+ QIt is right.
* N1 m: ^* f5 x9 b& _) dReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42- `. \: Z  l: f! ^, J
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?+ t7 {7 `9 @3 O: m
It is right.
% G5 N! I0 B8 X2 T1 XReferring to this case, co ...
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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。3 S$ a. L* g* ^. P
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
- [+ @' Q2 ^3 t) B( z! w) M+ ]全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
( L$ b8 }( P) p' H3 d1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.. ^; t5 e. ]+ S5 f
全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。  x& ~& W3 F- t
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.4 c: Q8 v1 \) p4 j% w! a3 y
全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。
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8 i( h  s5 A6 X0 V. l( @9 z所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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