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发表于 4-9 11:19:36 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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The organization shall review the requirements related to the product. This review shall be conducted prior to the organization's commitment to supply a product to the customer (e.g. submission of tenders, acceptance of contracts or orders, acceptance of changes to contracts or orders) and shall ensure that
3 F" }! U# D9 ~$ C9 |! na) product requirements are defined,
1 ?% R( r4 g8 n0 J& W, o8 Lb) contract or order requirements differing from those previously expressed are resolved, and
2 t, P, {6 U6 i4 X$ g. vc) the organization has the ability to meet the defined requirements.
* T) g4 G+ c2 p. w" a" FRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained (see 4.2.4).
5 H7 O9 o, v+ O- M: QFailure:  
; q, O7 X9 c4 x& yContract review process was not implemented effectively. Evidence: % O6 S* Y5 ]' b2 P! o
For the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:
1 B5 W, d; _! y: q  |1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.  B- e) d9 D$ T, M3 C( o
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.+ h# n" O, B7 m3 V# C, z5 m2 @& c$ f
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发表于 4-9 12:29:42 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 4-11 16:47:15 | 显示全部楼层
我觉得这个老外在故弄玄虚。提出了两个Failure,但是没有提出审核的证据,究竟什么地方不可行,不清楚。

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不是“这个”。我们看到老外的基本上都是这样的——只有概括性结论,并不列出具体问题。  发表于 6-11 07:27
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发表于 6-9 14:55:57 | 显示全部楼层
Evedences are clear.
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发表于 6-9 17:55:48 | 显示全部楼层
Requirement: , K9 r6 M6 J( `& N/ `; Z+ ~
Records of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be maintained.
9 n6 ~' g8 B3 }Evidence:
$ ]. M, @$ a' OFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:( I* n( E( v8 Q# G& _& |! a
1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
/ M: @1 M; T" ?, h  b* @2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
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Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
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发表于 6-10 19:42:51 | 显示全部楼层
一剑封喉 发表于 2016-6-9 17:55
. B) j, e% Q# |) u# ~1 C% D) _$ |# |Requirement:
$ F  ]4 v' \7 `0 ?4 r7 tRecords of the results of the review and actions arising from the review shall be mai ...

5 U- Y$ F  _" S% G; w5 tEvidence were not available=Records were not maintained?
  v" n, f, k7 @3 l: s. ^2 k3 }+ ~It is right.
/ x. h  C+ @- aReferring to this case, confirmation evidences were equal to certain records.

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who told you that ?  发表于 6-10 20:47
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发表于 6-10 20:46:28 | 显示全部楼层
Cuddlydog 发表于 2016-6-10 19:42, k+ f3 |4 ^/ M
Evidence were not available=Records were not maintained?' D6 o1 o, f1 N: ~! k/ B4 i
It is right.
+ X: V6 K2 H$ V# V5 w( DReferring to this case, co ...
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发表于 6-10 21:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
If the records were well maintained, the records would be avaible.

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if so, why 5.2.2 do not get rid of "be available" turn to be as: *** quality policy shall: a) be maintained as documented information ?  发表于 6-11 09:58
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发表于 6-10 21:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
The meaning of 'available' mentioned by auditor is slightly diferent from the meaning of "available' in chapter 5.2.2
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发表于 6-10 21:19:28 | 显示全部楼层
"maintained' includes the meaning of being well preserved and being kept available.
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发表于 5-20 10:47:29 | 显示全部楼层
本贴的“not available”翻译成“不存在”或“没有”或者”获取不到“比较合适。
/ ^" K4 ^$ n1 Z- P* N' s* N1 k3 vFor the contract review of (Jinbei)JBC-SD401:5 k1 Z! k9 b( H. |! E
全句翻译为:对于(Jinbei)JBC-SD401的合同评审:
. G$ m3 y& Z0 z% {1. The review evidence of document QB-06 and Quality Management Improvement Methods were not available.
( M- p" `1 a1 }. j/ j全句翻译为:获取不到文件QB-06的评审证据,并且没有质量管理改进方法的评审证据。* \+ A% O% ^$ |1 r& ?7 `& e  q
2. The confirmation evidence of product packing requirements were not available.
- e$ m& ^5 O& }: y  P: R4 K$ z全句翻译为:获取不到产品包装要求的确认证据。6 L- g5 m) ?& ]$ O8 m

  ?+ _# I0 C& l5 P* A& d. o所以我认为这2个不符合项的描述是没有问题的。但是不知道文件QB-06是关于什么,它和质量管理改进方法之间的关系是什么;为什么审核合同评审的时候要牵涉质量管理改进方法,请大师指点。
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