中心5.1后开始使用电子版检查表

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 11:02
那你最好是去注册咨询师——三方审核员这么做可能包含了很多违规行为——在不符合与改进方面禁止提供帮助 ...

) |$ E+ p# N2 r2 u: {哈哈！终于变调了，谈开不符合项、审核记录的问题，怎么扯到咨询师了？继续睡吧！

eicbj

【努力做第三类人】
/ g0 R& m9 u" x$ U4 S2 c一、有些人头脑中只有问题，没有解决问题的方法和路径，所以问题永远存在，这是抱怨者；
二、有些人能够看到问题，并同时思考出解决问题的方法和路径，这是管理者；
三、有些人在问题出来之前就把问题消灭掉了，这是智慧者；
" d! ]& E* y  @8 i8 Q四、有些人没有问题，却自己创造了一堆问题，庸人自扰。

zj157058

我支持用电子版，节约和环保。认真与否这不仅涉及到审核员更加涉及到被审核企业。这主要看企业领导取证的目的和对实行管理体系希望带来的影响！

zj157058

eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
/ s' x  n- w2 D' V真的呀？！
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) _# E3 ?/ E8 l+ S% |俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

这样的企业不多啊！

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 16:03
小朋友，趁你还醒着，去找本ISO/IEC17021来读读第9章吧。

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0 u) y7 c# k# u9 Process requirements........................................................................................................................14
" f4 G! t/ J/ N1 {9.1 General requirements .........................................................................................................................14
9.1.1 Determination of the audit programme.............................................................................................14
9.1.2 Audit plan ............................................................................................................................................15
& U$ s  ]  F5 ^$ j8 w! `9.1.3 Audit team selection and assignments.............................................................................................17
2 `! m; T. I( j- S; o9.1.4 Determining audit time........................................................................................................................18
1 |) x. p! b0 L: S; T( ^9.1.5 Multi-site sampling.............................................................................................................................18
* [+ a$ g( U" }, V9.1.6 Communication of audit team tasks..................................................................................................18
/ a4 C" Y: p; Z/ f8 IISO/IEC CD 17021-2.2
/ t7 k7 Y% {, w3 F* l2 wiv © ISO/IEC 2008 – All rights reserved
9 v; o) X: n0 w/ v3 w2 Q5 @9.1.7 Communication of audit team members .......................................................................................... 19
# f3 @0 l$ @- c2 d' L- Q9.1.8 Communication of audit plan ............................................................................................................ 19
9.1.9 Conducting on-site audits ................................................................................................................. 19
; W7 y& r# \! Q! [  \3 k9.1.10 Audit report ........................................................................................................................................ 22
1 |! K& n  D+ H' x9.1.11 Cause analysis of nonconformities .................................................................................................. 23
9 b- R! I) K: r9 a) z9.1.12 Effectiveness of corrections and corrective actions ...................................................................... 23
( v! s; V7 X1 ^4 }  m9.1.13 Additional audits................................................................................................................................ 23
9.1.14 Certification decision ......................................................................................................................... 23
' g! T+ t2 B' I& i; J3 t! K0 n9.1.15 Actions prior to making a decision................................................................................................... 23
3 d: I% q9 G3 D' r# c1 |3 l9.2 Initial audit and certification.............................................................................................................. 24
9 e, m$ B& U+ F7 p9.2.1 Application ......................................................................................................................................... 24
9.2.2 Application review .............................................................................................................................. 24
9.2.3 Initial certification audit ..................................................................................................................... 25
+ ?: G$ r# x- Y0 C) J9.2.4 Initial certification audit conclusions ............................................................................................... 26
1 }6 E. {- ~5 [' Y5 z9.2.5 Information for granting initial certification..................................................................................... 26
) a! P, d; E  U) [, y9.3 Surveillance activities ........................................................................................................................ 26
) f) `9 j. q3 `; x- ], D2 _9.3.1 General................................................................................................................................................ 26
, E3 p# R& }. g0 O3 f9.3.2 Surveillance audit ............................................................................................................................... 27
9.3.3 Maintaining certification .................................................................................................................... 27
! i- A) B2 I6 C  D9.4 Recertification.................................................................................................................................... 27
9.4.1 Recertification audit planning ........................................................................................................... 27
9.4.2 Recertification audit ........................................................................................................................... 28
9.4.3 Information for granting recertification............................................................................................ 28
: {* g; K5 b' t  k. u% c9.5 Special audits..................................................................................................................................... 28
: l# P6 s* ]$ w% P. C7 Q9 o5 o% L9.5.1 Extensions to scope.......................................................................................................................... 28
, w5 v  P+ s. N0 n8 y9.5.2 Short-notice audits ............................................................................................................................. 28
# Z1 k5 o  h  }9.6 Suspending, withdrawing or reducing the scope of certification ................................................. 29
9.7 Appeals ............................................................................................................................................... 29
% _" A/ N/ B* Y2 o) ~$ ?$ T8 E9.8 Complaints ......................................................................................................................................... 30
9.9 Records of applicants and clients .................................................................................................... 30

ls76321

沃特是人体的关于【了

weijz

关键是要提高审核能力，练内功。

wenjieluo

emeipengxu 发表于 2012-4-11 19:59
7 |5 L' L! w, B+ \审核员不用电子版还可以审核，但咨询师不用电子版就无法咨询，这说明什么？

8 i6 I, z1 y" K! \' D自我感觉良好么   

0℃

支持电子版

天下第一等1983

eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
真的呀？！
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俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

其实降本增效要企业自己的管理者理解体系，有专门的人员负责这块，包括质量控制和质量改进等等。审核是评判你的体系是否符合标准而已。建立管理体系的过程才是关键，而这个在初审之前，随后的审核就是帮你维持体系。光靠审核员的几天功夫想怎么样，恐怕很难。

kkjjqq

如今大多数的审核记录都是为了认可的，无懈可击。其实就是一堆固体废物。

jixiangruyi

电子版容易被人冒名顶替

464998792

想知道，有哪些机构用电子版检查表了？

isolgq

批发！！！！！

WUJUANJUAN

标准化、信息化、高效率，认证机构跟现代工具不接轨，才是对标准的亵渎，也是天大的笑话。

superdaddy

bigi521 发表于 2012-4-11 09:54
( D# h- j& G6 N  ~' _* S  ~其实认证中心一般比较鼓励用手写。现在电子版的，存在太多复制、粘贴。

手写的就没有复制黏贴了吗，只不过是原始点的复制黏贴而已，电子版手写关键还是个态度问题，做的好用什么都可以，电子版只是提高效率而已。