中心5.1后开始使用电子版检查表

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 11:02
3 t3 K9 i8 Y3 }& J/ Z那你最好是去注册咨询师——三方审核员这么做可能包含了很多违规行为——在不符合与改进方面禁止提供帮助 ...

# ^' z) Y% T# [6 ^3 ?: `哈哈！终于变调了，谈开不符合项、审核记录的问题，怎么扯到咨询师了？继续睡吧！

eicbj

【努力做第三类人】
8 w- u: n6 V+ j- B一、有些人头脑中只有问题，没有解决问题的方法和路径，所以问题永远存在，这是抱怨者；
二、有些人能够看到问题，并同时思考出解决问题的方法和路径，这是管理者；
三、有些人在问题出来之前就把问题消灭掉了，这是智慧者；
- i4 f4 _" H( g$ `% E四、有些人没有问题，却自己创造了一堆问题，庸人自扰。

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我支持用电子版，节约和环保。认真与否这不仅涉及到审核员更加涉及到被审核企业。这主要看企业领导取证的目的和对实行管理体系希望带来的影响！

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eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
真的呀？！
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这样的企业不多啊！

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 16:03
, J! L" O2 @5 F; @' ^/ D# m小朋友，趁你还醒着，去找本ISO/IEC17021来读读第9章吧。

找到了噎
9 Process requirements........................................................................................................................14
9.1 General requirements .........................................................................................................................14
- X: \7 F2 F' j. v8 `0 S9.1.1 Determination of the audit programme.............................................................................................14
5 [7 Z' T! H* w/ S$ g& \9.1.2 Audit plan ............................................................................................................................................15
9.1.3 Audit team selection and assignments.............................................................................................17
% h5 D' b1 P  B) f& j9.1.4 Determining audit time........................................................................................................................18
9.1.5 Multi-site sampling.............................................................................................................................18
9.1.6 Communication of audit team tasks..................................................................................................18
ISO/IEC CD 17021-2.2
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+ x2 `; L6 z4 B0 S) l# _9 O; ^9.1.7 Communication of audit team members .......................................................................................... 19
9.1.8 Communication of audit plan ............................................................................................................ 19
9.1.9 Conducting on-site audits ................................................................................................................. 19
2 ]5 \; G7 [# P& [) A9.1.10 Audit report ........................................................................................................................................ 22
% Y  g+ p' P, w5 `9.1.11 Cause analysis of nonconformities .................................................................................................. 23
9.1.12 Effectiveness of corrections and corrective actions ...................................................................... 23
5 Z; y7 s, Z! u$ i6 n: v9.1.13 Additional audits................................................................................................................................ 23
9.1.14 Certification decision ......................................................................................................................... 23
) j. l; m( K6 y2 d& v5 `& Y9.1.15 Actions prior to making a decision................................................................................................... 23
9.2 Initial audit and certification.............................................................................................................. 24
9.2.1 Application ......................................................................................................................................... 24
" Z2 \+ T+ Z6 p: h6 Y' C9.2.2 Application review .............................................................................................................................. 24
9.2.3 Initial certification audit ..................................................................................................................... 25
9.2.4 Initial certification audit conclusions ............................................................................................... 26
9.2.5 Information for granting initial certification..................................................................................... 26
9.3 Surveillance activities ........................................................................................................................ 26
9.3.1 General................................................................................................................................................ 26
( X' `' y5 E2 _+ [7 U9.3.2 Surveillance audit ............................................................................................................................... 27
: G' M2 Z% _7 \0 Y$ |5 V& _9.3.3 Maintaining certification .................................................................................................................... 27
  y3 y& u: q6 Y  T1 s7 N6 d9.4 Recertification.................................................................................................................................... 27
  B( p! U$ H7 a: v9.4.1 Recertification audit planning ........................................................................................................... 27
* o+ N- S: }% m$ ]8 p9.4.2 Recertification audit ........................................................................................................................... 28
  x/ N+ w# S& b% X. {5 i9.4.3 Information for granting recertification............................................................................................ 28
! J% i' T( m# z( |5 Q1 _8 h9.5 Special audits..................................................................................................................................... 28
; G0 f8 k' t- v  c  v0 F  x9.5.1 Extensions to scope.......................................................................................................................... 28
) d+ u2 k4 a" @! [; {3 u4 L7 O9.5.2 Short-notice audits ............................................................................................................................. 28
7 D* }8 i8 u6 D$ X9.6 Suspending, withdrawing or reducing the scope of certification ................................................. 29
) m7 M1 v4 u% L9 [9.7 Appeals ............................................................................................................................................... 29
7 V3 M. h! Z, C: F7 @9.8 Complaints ......................................................................................................................................... 30
; R6 Z2 L+ e$ m' o& m; F7 J/ Z/ Z9.9 Records of applicants and clients .................................................................................................... 30

ls76321

沃特是人体的关于【了

weijz

关键是要提高审核能力，练内功。

wenjieluo

emeipengxu 发表于 2012-4-11 19:59
审核员不用电子版还可以审核，但咨询师不用电子版就无法咨询，这说明什么？

% w" I' m) s; P( \自我感觉良好么   

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支持电子版

天下第一等1983

eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
真的呀？！
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7 z. \; @+ P  H7 z3 V+ _俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

其实降本增效要企业自己的管理者理解体系，有专门的人员负责这块，包括质量控制和质量改进等等。审核是评判你的体系是否符合标准而已。建立管理体系的过程才是关键，而这个在初审之前，随后的审核就是帮你维持体系。光靠审核员的几天功夫想怎么样，恐怕很难。

kkjjqq

如今大多数的审核记录都是为了认可的，无懈可击。其实就是一堆固体废物。

jixiangruyi

电子版容易被人冒名顶替

464998792

想知道，有哪些机构用电子版检查表了？

isolgq

批发！！！！！

WUJUANJUAN

标准化、信息化、高效率，认证机构跟现代工具不接轨，才是对标准的亵渎，也是天大的笑话。

superdaddy

bigi521 发表于 2012-4-11 09:54
其实认证中心一般比较鼓励用手写。现在电子版的，存在太多复制、粘贴。

" I' q. O: H2 C2 R& r" g手写的就没有复制黏贴了吗，只不过是原始点的复制黏贴而已，电子版手写关键还是个态度问题，做的好用什么都可以，电子版只是提高效率而已。