中心5.1后开始使用电子版检查表

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 11:02
4 B: n2 K1 K3 F; K那你最好是去注册咨询师——三方审核员这么做可能包含了很多违规行为——在不符合与改进方面禁止提供帮助 ...

2 R  }! a; ?& A# p" n" r; G哈哈！终于变调了，谈开不符合项、审核记录的问题，怎么扯到咨询师了？继续睡吧！

eicbj

【努力做第三类人】
! @" N. S0 G/ T% h一、有些人头脑中只有问题，没有解决问题的方法和路径，所以问题永远存在，这是抱怨者；
二、有些人能够看到问题，并同时思考出解决问题的方法和路径，这是管理者；
三、有些人在问题出来之前就把问题消灭掉了，这是智慧者；
四、有些人没有问题，却自己创造了一堆问题，庸人自扰。

zj157058

我支持用电子版，节约和环保。认真与否这不仅涉及到审核员更加涉及到被审核企业。这主要看企业领导取证的目的和对实行管理体系希望带来的影响！

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eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
真的呀？！

俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

2 L/ j/ I: _- G8 g) w/ `. i6 A这样的企业不多啊！

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 16:03
2 W+ [' M/ X$ C: ~* i小朋友，趁你还醒着，去找本ISO/IEC17021来读读第9章吧。

# A! Q" W) D" C# j" M6 r$ k找到了噎
  ]/ A$ ^9 \% g: k9 Process requirements........................................................................................................................14
3 f; V8 Q( u  g) m& S9.1 General requirements .........................................................................................................................14
9.1.1 Determination of the audit programme.............................................................................................14
$ F6 [# R$ i7 Z+ ]# t4 c& p9.1.2 Audit plan ............................................................................................................................................15
8 g$ e- _' ^( f" h( U/ _# ]% T9.1.3 Audit team selection and assignments.............................................................................................17
9.1.4 Determining audit time........................................................................................................................18
9.1.5 Multi-site sampling.............................................................................................................................18
9.1.6 Communication of audit team tasks..................................................................................................18
ISO/IEC CD 17021-2.2
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9.1.7 Communication of audit team members .......................................................................................... 19
4 d1 ?) I$ B% S+ A" o( u( n" r7 N9.1.8 Communication of audit plan ............................................................................................................ 19
9.1.9 Conducting on-site audits ................................................................................................................. 19
. X6 d9 @* o  N. y, b9.1.10 Audit report ........................................................................................................................................ 22
9.1.11 Cause analysis of nonconformities .................................................................................................. 23
9 n2 }6 j$ ^% {" L# ]+ ?0 B4 o, f9.1.12 Effectiveness of corrections and corrective actions ...................................................................... 23
# U8 G: g1 i& b9 Q9.1.13 Additional audits................................................................................................................................ 23
: d7 m3 O) ~: M9.1.14 Certification decision ......................................................................................................................... 23
6 f8 W' b  J5 K) P( B9 w9.1.15 Actions prior to making a decision................................................................................................... 23
9.2 Initial audit and certification.............................................................................................................. 24
9.2.1 Application ......................................................................................................................................... 24
" E3 n5 ^: H" X3 A  ^9.2.2 Application review .............................................................................................................................. 24
5 N5 {% {# e3 x" f. a9.2.3 Initial certification audit ..................................................................................................................... 25
& Z6 {1 @: o! ~3 k, U2 F) b$ V9.2.4 Initial certification audit conclusions ............................................................................................... 26
9.2.5 Information for granting initial certification..................................................................................... 26
9.3 Surveillance activities ........................................................................................................................ 26
. r: v1 h0 }( n% S9.3.1 General................................................................................................................................................ 26
8 E# t1 k5 C) p5 c  w+ F  \9.3.2 Surveillance audit ............................................................................................................................... 27
9.3.3 Maintaining certification .................................................................................................................... 27
/ @" z( _7 J; n6 z9.4 Recertification.................................................................................................................................... 27
9.4.1 Recertification audit planning ........................................................................................................... 27
9.4.2 Recertification audit ........................................................................................................................... 28
+ J( r  x7 G7 Z2 ]$ M; }$ W7 _4 d9.4.3 Information for granting recertification............................................................................................ 28
9.5 Special audits..................................................................................................................................... 28
$ f( l  n& @% i2 F8 f9.5.1 Extensions to scope.......................................................................................................................... 28
9 B  F5 e/ B( g" `' J9.5.2 Short-notice audits ............................................................................................................................. 28
% D+ P  u% ^2 C+ t$ K5 T9.6 Suspending, withdrawing or reducing the scope of certification ................................................. 29
9.7 Appeals ............................................................................................................................................... 29
9.8 Complaints ......................................................................................................................................... 30
9.9 Records of applicants and clients .................................................................................................... 30

ls76321

沃特是人体的关于【了

weijz

关键是要提高审核能力，练内功。

wenjieluo

emeipengxu 发表于 2012-4-11 19:59
3 R$ t( W( \& C" v) p/ n/ t审核员不用电子版还可以审核，但咨询师不用电子版就无法咨询，这说明什么？

( N5 u% g# Z( a  p) ]+ y8 f自我感觉良好么   

0℃

支持电子版

天下第一等1983

eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
真的呀？！
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俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

6 Y7 \: G+ O/ p& z, g其实降本增效要企业自己的管理者理解体系，有专门的人员负责这块，包括质量控制和质量改进等等。审核是评判你的体系是否符合标准而已。建立管理体系的过程才是关键，而这个在初审之前，随后的审核就是帮你维持体系。光靠审核员的几天功夫想怎么样，恐怕很难。

kkjjqq

如今大多数的审核记录都是为了认可的，无懈可击。其实就是一堆固体废物。

jixiangruyi

电子版容易被人冒名顶替

464998792

想知道，有哪些机构用电子版检查表了？

isolgq

批发！！！！！

WUJUANJUAN

标准化、信息化、高效率，认证机构跟现代工具不接轨，才是对标准的亵渎，也是天大的笑话。

superdaddy

bigi521 发表于 2012-4-11 09:54
* N% F& Q0 M7 w6 D9 h& V其实认证中心一般比较鼓励用手写。现在电子版的，存在太多复制、粘贴。

) t. h& V) I  O8 F9 O$ k. ^" O6 X手写的就没有复制黏贴了吗，只不过是原始点的复制黏贴而已，电子版手写关键还是个态度问题，做的好用什么都可以，电子版只是提高效率而已。