中心5.1后开始使用电子版检查表

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 11:02
% J* b5 _( Z; O那你最好是去注册咨询师——三方审核员这么做可能包含了很多违规行为——在不符合与改进方面禁止提供帮助 ...

/ t+ E  Y$ y9 |; K6 e  v6 l- e哈哈！终于变调了，谈开不符合项、审核记录的问题，怎么扯到咨询师了？继续睡吧！

eicbj

【努力做第三类人】
一、有些人头脑中只有问题，没有解决问题的方法和路径，所以问题永远存在，这是抱怨者；
' v& J5 F9 n. q: ?二、有些人能够看到问题，并同时思考出解决问题的方法和路径，这是管理者；
* u" Y, K/ B# u, v0 N( p4 t三、有些人在问题出来之前就把问题消灭掉了，这是智慧者；
四、有些人没有问题，却自己创造了一堆问题，庸人自扰。

zj157058

我支持用电子版，节约和环保。认真与否这不仅涉及到审核员更加涉及到被审核企业。这主要看企业领导取证的目的和对实行管理体系希望带来的影响！

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eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
0 `6 N$ N1 z' B真的呀？！

1 R8 s4 |; ~2 J4 D  F. a俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

这样的企业不多啊！

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 16:03
小朋友，趁你还醒着，去找本ISO/IEC17021来读读第9章吧。

+ `: Y- d5 [# [; Z& y  _: K找到了噎
. f! @8 |) J+ K4 t" B9 Process requirements........................................................................................................................14
7 u8 V4 Q3 e- R8 n( b( p9.1 General requirements .........................................................................................................................14
0 g; r  h  l% M' y9.1.1 Determination of the audit programme.............................................................................................14
8 ]5 w5 d6 `' h2 W. P7 Z9.1.2 Audit plan ............................................................................................................................................15
9.1.3 Audit team selection and assignments.............................................................................................17
4 I0 }8 p& k! i* j4 w9.1.4 Determining audit time........................................................................................................................18
3 ~1 r! Z* h  S' F9.1.5 Multi-site sampling.............................................................................................................................18
9.1.6 Communication of audit team tasks..................................................................................................18
ISO/IEC CD 17021-2.2
iv © ISO/IEC 2008 – All rights reserved
" c8 b' `; B+ N9.1.7 Communication of audit team members .......................................................................................... 19
+ Q% E; c/ I6 b3 z5 e' Y9.1.8 Communication of audit plan ............................................................................................................ 19
' B8 Q) L7 d& T) j( e9.1.9 Conducting on-site audits ................................................................................................................. 19
: }$ ?& y. P. P5 W: Z' P9.1.10 Audit report ........................................................................................................................................ 22
9.1.11 Cause analysis of nonconformities .................................................................................................. 23
0 m/ ?1 @" ?( M; r# t- Y  t9.1.12 Effectiveness of corrections and corrective actions ...................................................................... 23
9.1.13 Additional audits................................................................................................................................ 23
$ x+ b4 z) B$ F, }2 y3 Y: K9.1.14 Certification decision ......................................................................................................................... 23
1 `2 y, |5 Q# O: s* Y9.1.15 Actions prior to making a decision................................................................................................... 23
) L5 I4 d( Q! W% p& K3 i! f) `9.2 Initial audit and certification.............................................................................................................. 24
  w$ p9 p% |4 Y9.2.1 Application ......................................................................................................................................... 24
9.2.2 Application review .............................................................................................................................. 24
9.2.3 Initial certification audit ..................................................................................................................... 25
9.2.4 Initial certification audit conclusions ............................................................................................... 26
9.2.5 Information for granting initial certification..................................................................................... 26
9.3 Surveillance activities ........................................................................................................................ 26
4 [9 {" F" T! e# X* U9.3.1 General................................................................................................................................................ 26
, `  K  x2 g6 G8 n& o/ V$ q9.3.2 Surveillance audit ............................................................................................................................... 27
( ~8 q4 q( U) k! a9.3.3 Maintaining certification .................................................................................................................... 27
; k$ h( H1 m2 L; x# P" _; S! m9.4 Recertification.................................................................................................................................... 27
9.4.1 Recertification audit planning ........................................................................................................... 27
: G; j' f1 g: T9.4.2 Recertification audit ........................................................................................................................... 28
; _! v# }9 {. W# f; }; d9.4.3 Information for granting recertification............................................................................................ 28
9.5 Special audits..................................................................................................................................... 28
9.5.1 Extensions to scope.......................................................................................................................... 28
" j! ]7 Q: l- @& b! r( }9.5.2 Short-notice audits ............................................................................................................................. 28
9.6 Suspending, withdrawing or reducing the scope of certification ................................................. 29
9.7 Appeals ............................................................................................................................................... 29
8 o7 }! C! d6 p$ `( z: e9.8 Complaints ......................................................................................................................................... 30
9.9 Records of applicants and clients .................................................................................................... 30

ls76321

沃特是人体的关于【了

weijz

关键是要提高审核能力，练内功。

wenjieluo

emeipengxu 发表于 2012-4-11 19:59
* P5 S; j2 Q! Y# O4 E1 t5 b6 J审核员不用电子版还可以审核，但咨询师不用电子版就无法咨询，这说明什么？

自我感觉良好么   

0℃

支持电子版

天下第一等1983

eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
+ u: }* Q! Y! Q- k) g" x( e& `真的呀？！
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; B& i/ Z8 R% V" x" y, g; P1 }俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

9 @- R3 l6 A, n% L9 o2 H& h1 z- Z其实降本增效要企业自己的管理者理解体系，有专门的人员负责这块，包括质量控制和质量改进等等。审核是评判你的体系是否符合标准而已。建立管理体系的过程才是关键，而这个在初审之前，随后的审核就是帮你维持体系。光靠审核员的几天功夫想怎么样，恐怕很难。

kkjjqq

如今大多数的审核记录都是为了认可的，无懈可击。其实就是一堆固体废物。

jixiangruyi

电子版容易被人冒名顶替

464998792

想知道，有哪些机构用电子版检查表了？

isolgq

批发！！！！！

WUJUANJUAN

标准化、信息化、高效率，认证机构跟现代工具不接轨，才是对标准的亵渎，也是天大的笑话。

superdaddy

bigi521 发表于 2012-4-11 09:54
7 r, u. D5 h  h- C$ g* I$ P其实认证中心一般比较鼓励用手写。现在电子版的，存在太多复制、粘贴。

手写的就没有复制黏贴了吗，只不过是原始点的复制黏贴而已，电子版手写关键还是个态度问题，做的好用什么都可以，电子版只是提高效率而已。