中心5.1后开始使用电子版检查表

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rml 发表于 2012-4-14 11:02
" T8 o' j# g6 h那你最好是去注册咨询师——三方审核员这么做可能包含了很多违规行为——在不符合与改进方面禁止提供帮助 ...

哈哈！终于变调了，谈开不符合项、审核记录的问题，怎么扯到咨询师了？继续睡吧！

eicbj

【努力做第三类人】
一、有些人头脑中只有问题，没有解决问题的方法和路径，所以问题永远存在，这是抱怨者；
4 }( u& d' z: j1 t. p二、有些人能够看到问题，并同时思考出解决问题的方法和路径，这是管理者；
! ]3 o. n* ]5 q# t三、有些人在问题出来之前就把问题消灭掉了，这是智慧者；
四、有些人没有问题，却自己创造了一堆问题，庸人自扰。

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我支持用电子版，节约和环保。认真与否这不仅涉及到审核员更加涉及到被审核企业。这主要看企业领导取证的目的和对实行管理体系希望带来的影响！

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eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
$ Q3 i& l- Q8 o$ s真的呀？！

' z2 N$ \1 `6 K' C% f' U% H俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

这样的企业不多啊！

eicbj

rml 发表于 2012-4-14 16:03
0 i) m/ }. s5 n( V小朋友，趁你还醒着，去找本ISO/IEC17021来读读第9章吧。

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9 Process requirements........................................................................................................................14
9.1 General requirements .........................................................................................................................14
) x/ P* B2 @& U, \8 ^7 k9.1.1 Determination of the audit programme.............................................................................................14
; Y$ y1 a1 z; |9 o, \0 F9.1.2 Audit plan ............................................................................................................................................15
; u9 V+ o" \, p' y5 a( U! Y) k9.1.3 Audit team selection and assignments.............................................................................................17
9.1.4 Determining audit time........................................................................................................................18
9.1.5 Multi-site sampling.............................................................................................................................18
9.1.6 Communication of audit team tasks..................................................................................................18
) `1 K) x8 q: M# vISO/IEC CD 17021-2.2
iv © ISO/IEC 2008 – All rights reserved
9.1.7 Communication of audit team members .......................................................................................... 19
0 |4 l- \, }6 o9.1.8 Communication of audit plan ............................................................................................................ 19
( U# A+ A- M- N; X' Z  \( x8 G0 ^/ ]9.1.9 Conducting on-site audits ................................................................................................................. 19
8 m4 X' |9 J* s$ ~6 z9.1.10 Audit report ........................................................................................................................................ 22
9.1.11 Cause analysis of nonconformities .................................................................................................. 23
9.1.12 Effectiveness of corrections and corrective actions ...................................................................... 23
9.1.13 Additional audits................................................................................................................................ 23
2 L( a% e2 n0 R! f9 u1 e6 B" H9.1.14 Certification decision ......................................................................................................................... 23
9.1.15 Actions prior to making a decision................................................................................................... 23
9.2 Initial audit and certification.............................................................................................................. 24
# i! g1 _2 k+ V7 x4 u( j9.2.1 Application ......................................................................................................................................... 24
5 T: A- w$ H  u: x4 }9.2.2 Application review .............................................................................................................................. 24
9.2.3 Initial certification audit ..................................................................................................................... 25
7 N6 f/ G+ {4 r- a9.2.4 Initial certification audit conclusions ............................................................................................... 26
! X7 f% S6 @- b, q& ?( G7 X9.2.5 Information for granting initial certification..................................................................................... 26
# b; N* V3 _+ n" F# t" P* d* }9.3 Surveillance activities ........................................................................................................................ 26
5 b1 D* c. |' ?5 ]' s$ D6 P# c4 @9.3.1 General................................................................................................................................................ 26
9.3.2 Surveillance audit ............................................................................................................................... 27
+ R! u' R8 |' `( @* o4 _5 L9.3.3 Maintaining certification .................................................................................................................... 27
0 u" I: |" U3 l1 l* M1 U9.4 Recertification.................................................................................................................................... 27
9.4.1 Recertification audit planning ........................................................................................................... 27
8 W' A9 [8 ?3 z( m' `- X9.4.2 Recertification audit ........................................................................................................................... 28
6 W0 W! W$ @0 H7 G9.4.3 Information for granting recertification............................................................................................ 28
9.5 Special audits..................................................................................................................................... 28
9.5.1 Extensions to scope.......................................................................................................................... 28
9.5.2 Short-notice audits ............................................................................................................................. 28
6 v  ?- V7 x2 m9 N8 W4 [. j9.6 Suspending, withdrawing or reducing the scope of certification ................................................. 29
9.7 Appeals ............................................................................................................................................... 29
  f  d9 r2 q' C' n: N& Z- u3 k9.8 Complaints ......................................................................................................................................... 30
9.9 Records of applicants and clients .................................................................................................... 30

ls76321

沃特是人体的关于【了

weijz

关键是要提高审核能力，练内功。

wenjieluo

emeipengxu 发表于 2012-4-11 19:59
审核员不用电子版还可以审核，但咨询师不用电子版就无法咨询，这说明什么？

/ V$ E7 y2 v. E: M) J3 r# e" M自我感觉良好么   

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支持电子版

天下第一等1983

eicbj 发表于 2012-4-14 08:58
# q* m0 A& U% U- r9 v真的呀？！
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2 l9 c* ?3 ]' Y俺还不是审核员，俺姑且还是代表企业，其实证书对企业并不是最重要的，持续改进，使企业 ...

其实降本增效要企业自己的管理者理解体系，有专门的人员负责这块，包括质量控制和质量改进等等。审核是评判你的体系是否符合标准而已。建立管理体系的过程才是关键，而这个在初审之前，随后的审核就是帮你维持体系。光靠审核员的几天功夫想怎么样，恐怕很难。

kkjjqq

如今大多数的审核记录都是为了认可的，无懈可击。其实就是一堆固体废物。

jixiangruyi

电子版容易被人冒名顶替

464998792

想知道，有哪些机构用电子版检查表了？

isolgq

批发！！！！！

WUJUANJUAN

标准化、信息化、高效率，认证机构跟现代工具不接轨，才是对标准的亵渎，也是天大的笑话。

superdaddy

bigi521 发表于 2012-4-11 09:54
其实认证中心一般比较鼓励用手写。现在电子版的，存在太多复制、粘贴。

手写的就没有复制黏贴了吗，只不过是原始点的复制黏贴而已，电子版手写关键还是个态度问题，做的好用什么都可以，电子版只是提高效率而已。