blueboat 发表于 7-19 11:42:21

Identify
柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      
♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
1 V n
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
There are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...
2 V n, V n as n/-ing
If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.
Police have already identified around 10 murder suspects...
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...
= name
3 V n
If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...
= discover
4 V n, V n as -ing/n
If a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.
She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...
His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.
= distinguish
5 V with n
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...
6 V n with n, V pron-refl with n
If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
The candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.
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朗文当代英语词典
identify
i·den·ti·fy
W1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies


to recognize and correctly name someone or something
 He was too far away to be able to identify faces.
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
identify sb/sth as sb/sth
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.
 The aircraft were identified as American.
to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc
 Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.
 They identified a number of problem areas.
if a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize
identify sb as sb
 His accent identified him as a Frenchman.
identify with phr v
identify with sb/sth
to feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
 Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
 He identified with our distress and despair.
identify sb with sth
to think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group
 She has always been identified with the radical left.
identify sth with sb/sth
to think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else
 the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems


牛津高阶英语词典
identify
verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)
(also informal ID) ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.
to find or discover sb/sth: Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.
~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
Phrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
identify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
identify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else
Synonym: EQUATE
You should not identify wealth with happiness.
be identified with sb/sth
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.


牛津高阶英汉双解词典
identify
/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied)
~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人.
~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈.
(phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间.
2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).

rml 发表于 7-19 15:33:19

emeipengxu 发表于 7-19 23:25:22

7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文
只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关

一剑封喉 发表于 7-19 23:58:43

emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...
有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法
如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)

rml 发表于 7-20 10:56:42

blueboat 发表于 7-21 07:58:11

在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):

rml 发表于 7-21 09:57:13

blueboat 发表于 7-21 12:10:45

rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...

曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。
一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaozhun/bzjd/200907/t20090731_19535.shtml

一剑封喉 发表于 7-21 18:34:15

blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

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一剑封喉 发表于 7-21 19:07:31

blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……


blueboat 发表于 7-22 07:58:07

一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:07
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
...

大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。
相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。
仅代表个人意见。

rml 发表于 7-22 08:01:03

blueboat 发表于 7-22 08:54:37

rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。

台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。

rml 发表于 7-22 10:05:46

rml 发表于 7-22 10:25:51

blueboat 发表于 7-22 16:28:01

rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25
“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:
1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;
2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...

smallbo 发表于 7-22 16:51:49

说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。

rml 发表于 7-22 19:14:39

rml 发表于 7-22 21:54:19

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