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Identify
3 [1 ~6 a$ ^6 Y9 m5 G8 }柯林斯高级英语学习词典第5版      6 S; ~9 o4 E: g! V. F8 a
♦♦ iden|ti|fy /aɪd'entɪfaɪ/ (identifies identifying identified)
/ q4 X! Z3 W% h9 L1 [VERB] V n0 F  q8 `1 A  a) |8 T3 A" s
If you can identify someone or something, you are able to recognize them or distinguish them from others.
; ?9 @; z% W2 Z( A! M7 L- H( bThere are a number of distinguishing characteristics by which you can identify a Hollywood epic...* K( I3 Y# z$ m3 j+ j/ m- f
2 [VERB] V n, V n as n/-ing
, X) i2 b. i" m, M2 g( Z7 @If you identify someone or something, you name them or say who or what they are.2 x! w$ {" w6 d0 ?; v* x7 \* H# _
Police have already identified around 10 murder suspects...6 Q( c0 g8 S) Z( X
The reporters identified one of the six Americans as an Army Specialist...* L+ {9 H1 V5 o) U  s# }3 a7 O
= name
  t, z# L. @/ S& w2 q* ^6 u3 [VERB] V n$ ?- k! V+ H4 K$ {+ W
If you identify something, you discover or notice its existence.
% k1 P) s# I3 {! \Scientists claim to have identified natural substances with cancer-combating properties...* U' x8 F9 P' Q8 I
= discover
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  f8 E) J  p( p% X6 [& fIf a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize, by making them different in some way.$ U) l5 M! p2 f. u3 t
She wore a little nurse's hat on her head to identify her...( Z$ ]. ]0 ~. @+ v# `0 h2 H& y) ^
His boots and purple beret identify him as commanding the Scottish Paratroops.* N" s; @% @/ J
= distinguish
/ J# ~2 ?# t/ Y7 |5 [VERB] V with n( J" l, `) f6 t' G$ b8 X2 p
If you identify with someone or something, you feel that you understand them or their feelings and ideas.2 a/ z8 V* K& R" I, h
She would only play a role if she could identify with the character...
" n+ v9 X8 X0 k5 u6 [VERB] V n with n, V pron-refl with n5 {8 ^1 G5 B' _
If you identify one person or thing with another, you think that they are closely associated or involved in some way.
: W2 |9 t) {: t- X' j5 _She hates playing the sweet, passive women that audiences identify her with...
& D9 t0 E5 r* i* C5 gThe candidates all want to identify themselves with reform.  `9 v2 Q( b: K9 z, z$ g* U/ {1 o
= associate  梦巴蒂汽车坐垫,制冷按摩好   尚朗汽车美容 6大服务项目淘金   cnBeta 中文业界资讯站
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identify  
1 p: [( X6 |4 H8 xi·den·ti·fy7 p, L1 Z( R/ L; C1 H* o% E0 I
W1 /aɪˈdentɪfaɪ/ v past tense and past participle identified present participle identifying third person singular identifies [T]
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[Date: 1600-1700; Language: Late Latin; Origin: identificare, from Latin idem; IDENTITY]/ ~9 g2 v& N0 {4 v; p
to recognize and correctly name someone or something
  A+ b) C$ W( w2 v7 N! | He was too far away to be able to identify faces.2 \/ S: {+ j6 N8 Y8 e9 y
 The police took fingerprints and identified the body .
# n- Y. w: y0 A4 videntify sb/sth as sb/sth* k! R7 y# v( J& X# Q( m1 C) a
 Eye witnesses identified the gunman as an army sergeant.: b& |2 O  F0 x/ B& k3 L
 The aircraft were identified as American.
, w- ~2 M# l3 Y5 b! r/ `$ C8 ^to recognize something or discover exactly what it is, what its nature or origin is etc
7 [0 ]( e! Y+ y9 m: n Scientists have identified the gene that causes abnormal growth.
' G5 @. J) G4 [/ L4 f* T They identified a number of problem areas.
6 J7 k- \: W9 A; M0 I% x, Q% M! U" V6 jif a particular thing identifies someone or something, it makes them easy to recognize) K0 @$ h( V2 [; B6 @6 X0 _, ]* v
identify sb as sb/ [2 L8 s, T( I* Y+ n# ^8 d
 His accent identified him as a Frenchman.( Q4 O0 b- ^# w* z8 Z4 J
identify with phr v, ?% {- m! r2 o
identify with sb/sth
8 |& g( d( u" ^/ f: O% e: Mto feel sympathy with someone or be able to share their feelings
2 Z0 @% e0 t/ V% l  G+ B Humans can easily identify with the emotional expressions of chimpanzees.
6 \7 M% U( }+ W, M0 r/ R1 M) ^. o He identified with our distress and despair.0 [$ o& `* y9 \- s: o6 ~, ^
identify sb with sth
( l7 {/ |* I/ Vto think that someone is very closely related to or involved with something such as a political group3 P! ~/ X0 ~' k1 G: H3 I+ s! u5 Y
 She has always been identified with the radical left.9 p; ]+ W1 P3 `3 A! D
identify sth with sb/sth
1 U8 }* ~, `8 H* vto think that something is the same as, or closely related to, something else
+ U4 B7 I9 G$ L, \1 a3 [+ X the attempt to identify crime with poverty and social problems( k4 N& q( n! A$ |* W) I0 \

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verb (identifies, identifying, identified, identified)4 a8 Z, p! e# R: B% K& X
(also informal ID) [VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to recognize sb/sth and be able to say who or what they are: The bodies were identified as those of two suspected drug dealers. ◆ She was able to identify her attacker. ◆ Passengers were asked to identify their own suitcases before they were put on the plane. ◆ Many of those arrested refused to identify themselves (= would not say who they were). ◆ First of all we must identify the problem areas.8 q0 i& N& ?( k0 T: z: q
to find or discover sb/sth: [VN] Scientists have identified a link between diet and cancer. ◆ As yet they have not identified a buyer for the company. ◆ [V wh-] They are trying to identify what is wrong with the present system.: D! k" W& w. u5 N! x% D
[VN] ~ sb/sth (as sb/sth) to make it possible to recognize who or what sb/sth is: In many cases, the clothes people wear identify them as belonging to a particular social class.
6 D8 q- P( P1 Y4 a8 t/ F+ M" lPhrasal Verbs: identify with sb to feel that you can understand and share the feelings of sb else: I didn't enjoy the book because I couldn't identify with any of the main characters.
2 {) c7 T" `+ @  w2 b+ y- Oidentify sb with sth to consider sb to be sth: He was not the 'tough guy' the public identified him with.
. p3 u3 T3 E6 d" \+ m. r6 yidentify sth with sth to consider sth to be the same as sth else
$ T. i  U, Y' V1 z, Z. ySynonym: EQUATE
$ I% Q' o( o. E$ GYou should not identify wealth with happiness.
+ L, z% [6 P7 f1 ]be identified with sb/sth0 A6 s5 ^% G5 t4 r( N
identify yourself with sb/sth to support sb/sth; to be closely connected with sb/sth: The Church became increasingly identified with opposition to the regime.
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$ R6 H( F  C* }5 B, Y identify  
' g8 n! j1 |( d  G+ q3 G8 n$ O. O) F/ aɪˈdentɪfaɪ; aɪˋdɛntəˏfaɪ/ v (pt, pp -fied) , j5 x+ j) g9 e* O4 M
[Tn, Cn.n/a] ~ sb/sth as sb/sth show, prove, etc who or what sb/sth is; recognize sb/sth (as being the specified person or thing) 确认﹑ 证明某人[某事物]; 鉴别出(系某人或某物): Can you identify your umbrella among this lot? 你能在这些伞中认出你自己的那一把吗? * She identified the man as her attacker. 她认出那个男人就是袭击过她的人.
1 `( b2 g  z8 d% V [Tn.pr] ~ sth with sth consider sth to be identical with sth; equate two things 认为某事物与另事物等同: One cannot identify happiness with wealth. 幸福和财富不能混为一谈.
+ E6 X+ ^: o( n3 N* \8 C; C (phr v) identify (oneself) with sb/sth give support to sb/sth; be associated with sb/sth 支持某人[某事物]; 与某人[某事物]有关联: He refused to identify himself/become identified with the new political party. 他拒绝与那个新政党来往. identify with sb regard oneself as sharing the characteristics or fortunes of sb; take sb as a model 与某人认同; 以某人为模式: I found it hard to identify with any of the characters in the film. 我对这部影片里的任何角色都难以认同.7 v: t7 G8 [8 I$ Y5 j
> identification / aɪˏdentɪfɪˈkeɪʃn; aɪˏdɛntəfəˋkeʃən/ n [U] 2 n4 }3 l* m5 s1 Q; @2 F  M' G+ D" O
1 (process of) identifying or being identified 验明; 鉴别: The identification of the accident victims took some time. 验明事故遇难者身分的工作费了不少时间. " N  ~, z, `4 D% u
2 (abbr 缩写 ID) means of proving who one is; official papers that do this 身分证明; 身分证明书: Can I see some identification, please? 请给我看看你的身分证件行吗? i,dentifi`cation parade number of people, including one suspected of a crime, arranged in a row for viewing by witnesses who may be able to identify the suspect 供辨认嫌疑犯的一排人(其一为嫌疑犯, 供目击者辨认).5 T1 r5 y  }  \9 W/ w" q- C# p
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7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identify均作为及物动词使用,词义为“vt. 识别”,并无“对……进行标识”的意思;
5 g. X* h2 k8 J7 u4 f: @这是对的。看来学ISO标准还得学好英文
/ Y, g8 Q9 l3 V( K- P* N8 O只有第三段为名词“identification”,做‘标识’解。
9 M* a7 u$ f9 A. V0 G8 `这也不对,还是“识别”的意义,只是从动词变成了名词,意思不变/ t) S- _7 P* U% a3 s) l: A! C* B
举个例子,身份证为identification card,意思为身份识别卡,与标识无关
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emeipengxu 发表于 2013-7-19 23:25* B; m7 w- `+ h4 }( \: c7 f
7、如果你研读ISO9001标准英文原版,可以知道7.5.3条款第一段和第二段均为“shall identify”,此处identif ...

6 n5 i1 `! X7 B! L- Q6 n! d有些词语在大陆有基本固定或约定俗成的译法. \. P) C) e3 D: f0 m2 @
如 unique identification 唯一性标识,identification card (身份证、身份辨识卡,标识卡片)
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在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台湾是怎么翻译的(台湾标准叫 CNS12681 Z 4034 品质管理系统 要求):% p, \5 w* |( n4 n/ c
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rml 发表于 2013-7-21 09:57
) ~+ [. H- s$ J) \其实,台版没大陆版严谨。
! Z: w) g6 C5 x. w% T就本主题而言,台版解决了一个问题——“识别”和“标识”都统一于“识别”。这 ...
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曾经在台资公司工作过数年,因此对繁体字和台湾人的表达方式小有理解。
, r* Z3 ^; P! R9 F# q和RML老师的看法不同,与大陆的表达方式相比,我认为台湾的表述确实更言简意赅,更严谨。您说第二段翻译得非常艰涩,也许是因为平时没有接触过台湾的表达,但是对本人来说,这句非常通俗易懂。' l% U; L& m3 u  z6 [% |. d
台湾的文字、表达习惯和大陆的已经有所不同,所以,语法体系能否直接用大陆的套到台湾的上面,要画个问号的。5 I7 I5 o4 J+ z1 v% \  t
一个链接,供参考。http://www.cait.cn/ISO9000/biaoz ... 0090731_19535.shtml
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:586 d9 q7 X2 H/ m! V
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...
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某剩女在一次相亲上拐弯抹角地打听男方家底:“你最经常用的交通工具是什么?”& ]# W4 ?9 b: \" i
男方恰逢感冒,回答:“飞机…啊嚏…动车。”7 Q/ |3 [2 u: U+ c, H0 Q4 F
女方觉得男方属于高档商务白领,嫁之。# Y( a7 Q# V' ]$ Q% |  p
婚后却发现男方是个民工,骑一辆破自行车上下班。3 w' n7 N2 Y  {, N8 I. {
女怒道:“当初你居然骗我!”& P# a5 A/ L' o, K- y
男茫然答道:“没骗你啊,我说的就是非机动车。”
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blueboat 发表于 2013-7-21 07:58/ P/ d/ J3 m2 r, T
在所有的中文翻译中,台湾对ISO9001:2008的中文翻译以其严谨性在世界上得到了更广泛的认可,所以,来看看台 ...

6 N1 ?: l( {4 b( C在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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一剑封喉 发表于 2013-7-21 19:074 x, w7 R7 G- [" S9 U
在大陆,如果你说监视和测量设备应“具有识别”,我们会认为你没把话讲完整,但台湾人就是这么讲的……
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" \. ?- y5 b1 ]1 I, g6 }, W大陆和台湾已经存两套语法体系,不同的东西,不好放一起对比。
+ q8 }, x" w5 S2 q2 Q3 P$ q! D! f台湾的表达方式在大陆的语法看起来可能存在语法错误,但是这仅仅是使用大陆的语法作为标准进行判断。
' O  O$ _3 j9 M8 k+ q0 K6 Z相比较大陆的书面表达方式,台湾的表达方式的确严谨,说不上所以然,也许只是因为在台资公司工作数年,被台湾的表达方式浸淫了吧。但,毕竟中华传统文化保存最好的地方就是在台湾,本人的感觉可能是文化归属感导致的吧。% L  ~+ f2 T- k) b4 o0 E
仅代表个人意见。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 08:01
; Y% r4 o  F+ w- W, K8 z台湾中文这么写的。台湾汉语却不一定是这么讲的。这种文白夹杂的语言中,语文分离是必然的。

; p' X" B2 b( q* r+ a$ |& K$ q台湾汉语是进退均可,进可纯白话,退可用文言,大陆嘛,纯白的了。
  m' G5 D0 J" T昨天看到老大庆贺小马哥的贺电,和我们日常表达已是相差甚多,看来真正官方的、正统的,还是文言。
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rml 发表于 2013-7-22 10:25( S. H( V; g* S4 g
“进退均可”实际上就是两不象。+ ^8 `. I8 F# {  s% k
大陆的做法,也没废止旧的。简体字只在正规场合被要求。而从来没有对书 ...

4 ?  r  G: [5 n  Q; ]: b' |/ L同意老师的,这个课题实在太大,而且尤其对我来说,已经远超我的知识范围了~~
+ D) Q: R4 l) Y但我还是认为正统文化在台湾,基于两点判断:
$ c0 `5 |3 i& F7 {% a9 I; k1. 大陆经历过文化断层,而台湾没有;- J+ }9 i4 T4 `; K6 W
2. 文化传承体——士绅阶层,在49年都去台湾了,而没去的,能活下来的也没几个了...
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说实话,我比较看好4,质量2008版的要求好像也偏重这一点,可是我还是选择了3,我不知道有什么方法比标识更简单科学,让人更好做到目视化管理。可能本人才疏学浅,需高手指点。。。
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